Normally on Fridays we like to go all “dumb” on you- post a funny story, a picture we can all lust over, etc. etc. etc. But today, you’re gonna have to DEAL with it because Moon & I got all Twilosophical through an email conversation with our friend EastFriend (yes- from The Quad- she’s still alive!) and it just HAD to be shared. While this may not be our normal Friday thang, you don’t want to miss this conversation. And we don’t want to miss your thoughts (although, I (UC) just left for vacation, so I’m going to have to miss it!)
EastFriend kicked us off sharing something she just read in Rolling Stone Magazine about Vampire Diaries, contrasting it with Twilight:
“We’re surrounded by bat-porn fantasies these days, but Vampire Diaries is the one that feels most authentic, because it’s the most adolescent, the most ordinary. It would kill the fantasy if there were anything glamorous about Elena. (That’s why Twilight was so great, when Kristen Stewart was just some mousy girl in a flannel shirt, and New Moon sucked, when Kristen Stewart was a movie star.)
Really? “Twilight was so great?” “New Moon sucked?”
I do get the charm of the cast being relative unknowns when Twilight was 1st released, and the “old hat” feeling of them by the time we got to New Moon. And I also accept the fact that a percentage of the fandom is not on board with Eclipse due to (a) Being over it, (b) Hating Kristen, (c) Hating Rob for being with Kristen, (d) Worrying over David Slade and all these reshoot/new editor/blah-blah-blah rumors of late, etc., and (e) Complete over saturation of the series (how has Harry Potter maintained the magic for well over a decade?!?), which would fall in line with being over it, I guess.
Was Twilight “so great” because it was so “unknown” at first (and by unknown, I mean by the world at large–not by us, who’d read it at Hilton Head and knew greatness long before the masses!), and did New Moon suck because a cast full of young adults, heretofore unknown, had spent the previous year in our faces? Blogs, TV, magazine covers, websites, premieres, award shows, film festivals, etc.
Seriously. I have to discuss this.
The difference between Twilight and Harry Potter is that with HP we have to wait SO long between movies. I get why we don’t have to with Twilight:
#1- Summit wants the money NOW
#2- They don’t want the cast members to “Age,” but come on- it’s the MOVIES. you can make it work!
And about Twilight seeming so GREAT vs New Moon….I think it depends on who you ask about NM vs TWI…. reviewers & industry people hated both, but hated New MOON more- I think because it was a better quality movie- more money, more effort, less indie/rando/Cathy Cougar is a little drunk feeling. I think a lot of people connect with Catherine’s style & saw her portrayal of Twilight for what it was- a movie gearing towards the MTV crowd… and it was okay. It worked for what it needed to do. But with New Moon, Summit is trying to compete with major block-busters- with the Harry Potters & the comic-book-series of these days… and well, it falls majorly short if that’s what you’re comparing it to. But for us as fans (and most of the people that we come into contact with) the actors did SUCH a better job in NM & it was just less cheesy & more true to the book- so we love it more.
However… that being said.. I don’t have the emotional connection to New Moon like I did with Twilight. I haven’t watched the DVD yet. I didn’t see it as much in the theaters. Is that because of being inundated so much in the Twi world? After my emotional mess when I was entranced by this Twilight world and before I had the blogs to run to, I’d cry when I put on songs #7-12 of the soundtrack… the New Moon soundtrack is SOO GOOD and yet I never cried….. What IS that?
Get even DEEPER after the jump!
I feel the same way at times. I think NM was a better movie but there’s just something about Twilight with even all its faults… it’s still Twilight. It’s like how we talk about reading the books for the first time- There’s nothing that will ever be like that first time through, the excitement, anticipation. And that translated to the movies. With Twilight we didn’t know ANYTHING. How would it look, what would Rob as Edward be like, what would the locations look like, would my favorite scene be included? But now we know most everything. We know what Forks looks like, we know how Edward & Bella interact, we know how hot Jacob looks without his shirt on.
I also feel like EVERYONE knows what Twilight is these days. It’s not a special little “insider” thing anyone. It’s like when you’re favorite local band blows up and becomes U2. When the annoying girl at work says she likes Twilight and she hasn’t even read the books, it’s kinda annoying. Especially when you were there since the beginning.
There’s also the fact that we’re IN this EVERY day (mostly) and we see most everything that comes out now and there’s a lot. Remember back in the day when it was few and far between and that was even more so before our time! I’m sure it was even more fun when it was all rumors and nothing was announced or– imagine how it was when TWILIGHT was filming!? Everything we get is now on the front page or my MOM tells me. It’s not like you really have to search for it.
OK, see…I didn’t “get” Catherine’s vision in Twilight. Too much usage of the blue lens, too many quick cuts (i.e. bad editing!) and her direction? OMS! When everyone complains about how “terrible the acting” is in Twi, I chalk it up to Cathy. ‘Cause Kristen and Rob are NOT terrible actors. YES, Hardwicke has minor industry cred. I get that. But I, as a fan, did not “get” her vision of Twilight. I “got” Chris Weitz’s. And why? Because it’s exactly as you said, UC…it was true to the book. He gave the fans what we wanted. Remember last November when he took the time to write the fans a letter, once he stepped into the role as director? What other director has EVER done such as that? Class. Pure class, I tell you. That it even crossed his mind to address the fans proved to me that he had not only our best interests at heart, but also his cast’s, as well as Stephenie Meyer’s.
I didn’t have an emotional connection to Twilight at all. AT ALL. I didn’t shed a damn tear in that movie. Meanwhile, I saw NM three times, then once again on DVD at home. I’ve cried every time. I hated the Twi soundtrack. Still do. I love the NM soundtrack. Still do. Y’all know I ranked “Roslyn” as my favorite song of 2009. I start crying the instant I hear it in NM…and don’t stop until Lykke Li finishes.
And, yes, Moon…I do agree with you…that Twilight was NEW. After I’d finished reading the books, I spent 2 hours in the pool (in Hilton Head), drunk, trying to figure out a way to get $2 million so I could buy the rights to adapt a screenplay. At the time, MTV had already done so (unbeknownst to me–this was August of ’07), but I was so desperate to see this story on the big screen. I literally cried all over my husband…not even ashamed to admit this…but I’d finished Eclipse and drank about 8 Land Shark’s and was in the pool trying to figure out how to get millions. RIDICULOUS. (Ridiculous that I thought I could adapt it–ridiculous that I thought no one else had had that idea yet. Please love me through it. It was the Land Sharks.)
But isn’t that how we all felt after reading the books? Before any of this shit happened? The movie, the Hot Topic crap, the websites, the merchandising…ANY of it. We loved the books. The story. Edward and Bella. It was such a big deal. I miss that.
When Twilight was filming there was basically only Larry Carroll and Twilight Tuesdays on MTV. And Twilight Moms, of course! I had two friends who cared anything about the books and even knew there was a movie being filmed. TWO. We all bought/rented Penelope when it was released so that we could see the “sneak peek” of Edward and Bella in his room–and swooned and died and watched it 10 times in a row and decided then and there that we were 100% happy with Rob as Edward. (Always was on board with K as Bella…and speaking of that, I remember about the time that was announced…it was just after Thanksgiving of ’07 when I was looking it up on IMDB and saw that they’d finally posted it on their site, with her name attached to it. That was EXCITING. And I had no one to share it with. Sob.)
Maybe the gist of all this is that we are over saturated. Everyone keeps complaining about the lack of Eclipse info. I’ll be honest…I haven’t missed anything. I’m glad I don’t know much. It keeps me from worrying more than I already do.
Dude…. we got deep…..
So… what do YOU think!?
PS: My Brian hurts
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